Interoperability Minutes 2006-11-01

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Attendees

Present

  • Adam Peller <apeller@us.ibm.com>
  • Alex Russell <alex@dojotoolkit.org>
  • Anil Sharma <anil@vertexlogic.com>
  • Bert Halstead <rhh@curl.com>
  • Coach Wei <coach@nexaweb.com>
  • Craig McClanahan <craig.mcclanahan@sun.com>
  • Chris Schalk <chris.schalk@oracle.com>
  • David Boloker <boloker@us.ibm.com>
  • David Frankel <david.frankel@sap.com>
  • Greg Murray <greg.murray@sun.com>
  • Jon Ferraiolo <jferrai@us.ibm.com>
  • John Sheridan <john.sheridan.dublin@gmail.com>
  • Lindsey Simon <lsimon@finetooth.com>
  • Louenas Hamdi <louenas.hamdi@sap.com>
  • Phil Berkland <berkland@us.ibm.com>
  • Rama Gurram <rama.gurram@sap.com>
  • Rick Evans <Rick.Evans@Sun.COM>
  • Ted Thibodeau <tthibodeau@openlinksw.com>

Absent

  • Alan Clark <aclark@novell.com>
  • Alejandro Escalante Medina <alejandroe@jackbe.com>
  • Andrei Dragomir <adragomi@adobe.com>
  • Arno Puder <arno@puder.org>
  • Bjoern Mueller <Bjoern.Mueller@softwareag.com>
  • Bradley Sipes <Bradley.Sipes@ikivo.com>
  • Brandon Bloodgood <bbloodgood@goetc.net>
  • Chris Matthews <cmatthews@elinkbiz.com>
  • Christophe Jolif <cjolif@ilog.fr>
  • Chuck Allen <chucka@hr-xml.org>
  • Chuck Ames <CAmes@seagullsoftware.com>
  • Cody Hageman <cody@goetc.net>
  • Dave Johnson <djohnson@ebusiness-apps.com>
  • David Kranz <kranz@curl.com>
  • David Temkin <temkin@laszlosystems.com>
  • Eric Nguyen <ericn@mercedsystems.com>
  • Erik van Dongen <evandongen@seagullsoftware.com>
  • Fabio Rotondo <fabio.rotondo@os3.it>
  • Gabriele Buscone <gabriele.buscone@os3.it>
  • Gideon Lee <glee@openspot.com>
  • Greg Wilkins <gregw@webtide.com>
  • Gustavo Munoz <gustavom@jackbe.com>
  • Hyther Nizam <hyther@adventnet.com>
  • Ian Wenig <ian@zoho.com>
  • James Douma <jdouma@ebusiness-apps.com>
  • James Margaris <jmargaris@nexaweb.com>
  • Javier Gallego <Javier.Gallego@softwareag.com>
  • Jay Ramasamy <Jay@adventnet.com>
  • Jennifer Taylor <jetaylor@adobe.com>
  • Jeremy Chone <jchone@adobe.com>
  • Jim Grandy <jgrandy@openlaszlo.org>
  • John Crupi <john.crupi@jackbe.com>
  • John Janetos <jjanetos@laszlosystems.com>
  • Joonas Lehtinen <joonas.lehtinen@itmill.com>
  • Jorge Taylor <jotaylor@adobe.com>
  • Keith Deutsch <keith.deutsch@helmitechnologies.com>
  • Ken Fyten <ken.fyten@icesoft.com>
  • Kevin Hakman <khakman@tibco.com>
  • Kin Blas <jblas@adobe.com>
  • Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
  • Kjell Richard Bjørntvedt <krb@24SevenOffice.com>
  • Luke Birdeau <lbirdeau@tibco.com>
  • Matthew McNulty <mmcnulty@activegrid.com>
  • Michael Peachey <mpeachey@tibco.com>
  • Raju Vegesna <raju@zoho.com>
  • Ross Dargahi <ross.dargahi@zimbra.com>
  • Rüdiger Herrmann <rherrmann@innoopract.de>
  • Stephen Maryka <steve.maryka@icesoft.com>
  • Steven Pothoven <pothoven@us.ibm.com>
  • Victor Leith <vsleith@us.ibm.com>
  • Vincent Hardy <vincent.hardy@sun.com>
  • Vivienne van der Vooren <vvandervooren@seagullsoftware.com>

Agenda

  • Agenda
    • SourceForge tasks from last week
      • Alex and Lindsey have both checked in their source code
      • Has source code been separated into four JavaScript files?
    • SourceForge mailing lists
      • Jon has initiated creation of openajaxallianc-contributors@lists.sourceforge.net, subscribers must have completed IPR process
    • SourceForge trackers
      • Jon has removed visibility of all of SF's standard trackers (Features, Patches, etc.) except for "Bugs", whose description says "Bug reports and feature requests"
      • Need to decide on "Categories" and "Groups"
        • Categories are recommended for modules. How about "ToolkitHub", "EventHub", "MarkupHub" and "ObjectHub"? (Too much hub-bub?)
        • Groups are recommended for categorization such as versions. How about "v1.0", "bug", "feature"?
    • Test cases
      • Have submitted tests been named properly to conform to a reasonable naming convention?
    • Specs
      • Any progress?
    • Status report on process issues
    • Status reports on new WGs and TFs

Minutes

Follow-up to call to check in source code

Jon: Alex has checked in oaa.js.

Lindsey: code was in Alex's check-in

Jon: Asks Lindsey send e-mail to new contributors list about his contribution

Jon: We have not broken down Alex's oaa.js into separate files. We're at check-in number 8, idle for about a week. Jon will separate the files and review test files.

Jon: Anyone else plan to be doing oss work in the next week? (silence)

Mailing lists

Jon: will assemble list of issues for next week

Jon: Two mailing lists at SF to reflect meeting two weeks ago. First is IPR statement, write-only list for legal reasons. Second is "openajaxallianc-contributors" for people who made IPR declarations, for discussion of development issues.

Jon: Last meeting, we decided to start with just these lists for now. Could have a public list? Use public open ajax list for public comments?

SourceForge trackers

Jon: unified tracker for bugs and features. removed visibility of all but 'bugs' tracker which will serve both bugs and features.

Jon: tried to define 'categories' and 'groups', but unsure. Categories correspond to pieces of code, groups to try to describe situations?

Jon: Proposal - four features for categories: 'toolkithub', 'eventhub', 'markuphub', 'objecthub' (or javascripthub? collisionhub?)

?: wouldn't do that unless they're separate hubs

Alex: leave off word 'hub'

SAP: add mobility?

Jon: still being discussed

SAP: as a test exercise to make sure what we have works on mobile devices?

Jon: we haven't figured out exactly how to address mobile - being discussed - but making sure that the existing hub works on mobile might be part of the test plan

Craig?: opens can of worms

Alex: Hub does not involve very much AJAX at this point

Adam: Very large test matrix

Jon: Some small amount of testing, e.g. high-end nokia+opera, makes sense but shouldn't be focus. focus should be desktop for first round. running on emulators would be appropriate

?: that level of testing might be better assigned to those using hub and embedding in toolkits

Alex: should avoid specifying anything which would break the ability to run on mobile

Jon: Unless someone wants to volunteer to set up a testing lab... we won't have the capacity to do real testing within the alliance, only informal testing. rely on those doing integration

(general agreement)

Jon: lucky if we have bandwidth to write tests

?: relationship between categories and taskforces?

Jon: under the purview of this committee, not any particular task forces which investigate new activity/features

Jon: Moving on to 'groups': bug vs. feature, version

Jon: skipping test cases -- no progress. Same for specs. Hopes to have outline of specs next week.

Coach: what's meant by spec?

Jon: defines terminology, use cases, requirements, features with detailed APIs... for the hub

Working Group transition

Jon: steering committee decided to have a formal process for life cycle of working groups. This committee (and marketing committee) would transition into working group, but we need a process and a proposal first. Have drafts of charter by Mike Milinkovich, based on Eclipse documents. Target date for approval is Dec 12-15.

Jon: Charter describes scope of work. Members can compare against patent agreement.

Checkpoint on task forces

Jon: Taskforces - IDE, Server integration, communications hub, security. Has written up capsule descriptions

Jon: IDE decided to pursue at F2F, find common approaches, standards associated with integrating Ajax components into IDE (e.g. Eclipse, netbeans, dreamweaver, oracle's...) Kevin is chair.

Greg: lots of conferences, trying to set up communications

Jon: Phil will be participating also, representing ATF (Eclipse)

David Frankel: broken link in Wiki for IDE task force?

Jon: Server integration, Chris is chair. Time to get kick off meeting.

Chris: Focus on Java?

Jon: tried to leave description more open, let task force define focus

Jon: before getting into technical work, should be focus on scope: what the problems are, how to solve them

Chris: seemed to be large contingent of people who want to focus on Java

Jon: from a technical architecture, wants properly layered architecture. Although JSF/Java may be main customers, whatever we do it should be pluggable to anything else.

Jon: suggests to Chris: e-mail discussion prior to kick off meeting about use cases and requirements, wiki page, etc.

Jon: progress getting mailman set up. use main list for now

Jon: Communications hub, kick off phone call will happen right after this phone call - might just be Jon + Coach.

Coach lists a few other names, most not available today

Jon: Proposal from Greg Wilkins ~5pp.

Jon: Security. Alex, IBM appointee will chair: Larry Koved

Jon: Next week - main topic will be technical: progress on JS, specs, test suite

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