Accessibility Minutes 2012 02 13

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  • Jon Gunderson (University of Illinois - Co-Chair)
  • Nicholas Hoyt (University of Illinois)
  • Rich Schwerdtfeger (IBM - Co-Chair)
  • Prasanna Bale (University of Illinois)
  • Marc Johlic (IBM)
  • Ann Abbott (IBM)
  • Philip Ackermann (Fraunhofer Institute for Applied Information Technology) - Scribe


Jon: /member/wiki/WCAG_2.0_Principle_3_Understandable_Rules#Requirement_3.3.2_Labels_or_Instructions

Jon: /member/wiki/Accessibility

Jon: /member/wiki/Accessibility#2012

Jon: Would it be sufficient to define groups of radio buttons by using ARIA roles?

Jon: CONTROL_3 violation for both transitional ruleset and ARIA strict


Jon: CONTROL_3 is just about radio buttons

Jon: CONTROL_3A is about other form elements that are grouped

Nick: What about group of checkboxes, which are most similar to radio buttons?

Jon: What would be the indicator for a checkbox group?

Nick: A common pattern is to use same name attribute value

Nick: But programmatically hard to check

Jon: It could then be a manual check

Ann: No special separation between grouping of radio buttons and other form elements in IBM guidelines

Jon: Maybe first try to implement the rules and see if there are problems, then later come back to it

Jon: Changed to CONTROL_3A and to CONTROL_3B accordingly

Jon: CONTROL_3A is now about checkboxes

Jon: New CONTROL_3B is about other form controls

Jon: /member/wiki/WCAG_2.0_Principle_2_Operable_Rules#Requirement_2.4.6_Headings_and_Labels

Jon: Maybe put CONTROL_3B into another section

Jon: Anything related to markup patterns put to 3.3.2

Jon: CONTROL_3A, CONTROL_3B violations or recommendation?

Nick: How would you test this rules?

Nick: Shipping and billing address for example which have the same fields

Jon: Same fields but they would have different names

Nick: So you are trying to detect uniqueness, ok

Nick: Another issue: at the moment the rule is very generic

Nick: I think the rule should be more detailed on what is going to be tested

Nick: As stated now the rule is just a manual check

Jon: Ok, updated rules CONTROL_3A and CONTROL_3B accordingly

Jon: Maybe add uniqueness to rules CONTROL_3 and CONTROL_3A

Jon: Currently the shipping/billing address example passes both rules, if the user just puts one fieldset element around both

Jon: CONTROL_3A and CONTROL_3B violations or recommendations?


Jon: We will review this next week

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