[OpenAjaxMobile] Mobile acid test

Tue Apr 8 15:41:27 PDT 2008

Chaals,
Everything you say below makes sense to me. If everyone else agrees, then
the burden on this task force would be to identify the finite (vs
countless) things that need to be tested with a mobile acid test. Easier
said than done. As I said earlier, in general, the set of features to test
in mobile Ajax consists of everything in desktop Ajax, plus a few other
things (the hard part). Here are some of the few other things that are
mobile specific:

1) Should be able to render a desktop-size Web page (e.g., 1000x800), and
scroll/pan/zoom to navigate around
2) Should be able to support all of the UI actions defined within ARIA (or
some other way of expressing the device independent UI requirement)
3) Should support keyboard input somehow or other

The #2 item above is the most interesting. Becky Gibson of accessibility
and ARIA fame (and who put ARIA support into Dojo) has joined this task
force and is looking at mobile issues. Maybe she'll have some good ideas
regarding #2  once she has some time to think about things.

Jon

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On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:37:57 +0200, Jon Ferraiolo <jferrai at us.ibm.com>
wrote:

> However, ultimately I would think the ideal best place ultimately for
> acid tests would be the Web Standards Project,

The WSP just blesses Acid tests at some point. As we saw with Acid3 (and
Acid2 before it) this isn't the point at which the test is finalised - in
both cases they have been happy to let Ian Hickson just unilaterally
decide on changes to the test afterward.

So if W3C makes a test that deserves the Acid tag, I think that's fine.

> ... Also, I would be concerned about W3C taking the lead on
> verifying "Ajax", since Ajax reflects the de facto standard of what is
> implemented in browsers, which is different than what W3C standards say
> should be implemented in browsers.

Sure. But the direction of W3C towards doing better testing and being more

concerned about the real world is one that I think we should be
encouraging - we need a place to make new standards and W3C is a good one,

but we also need to standardise things when they are ready, not before or
after.

> In particular, "Ajax" as we define
> it at the alliance goes much further than XMLHttpRequest. It also
> supports JSON via the dynamic SCRIPT tag, rich user interfaces
> leveraging leveraging clever JavaScript, local persistent storage,
> Comet-style
> server push, and countless other features.

I strongly suspect the things that really matter are actually quite
countable...

> The possible role for OpenAjax Alliance in all of this would be to help
> out. We might work on requirements (i.e., acid tests need to test the
> following things) and we might work on some early versions of proposed
> tests. However, as I said in the previous paragraph, the Web Standards
> Project seems like a natural place long-term for mobile acid tests.

Sure, getting the WaSP to bless an Acid test (or acid-style test - for
some reason the W3C group don't want to use the Acid name) is a sensible
thing to do. But they don't actually develop them, and since Ian
registered acidtests.org they don't even host them.

I think it would be very valuable if the OAA proposed stuff to be tested.
Since Opera is directly represented in the relevant Working group at W3C,
we will generally propose stuff through our representative there (he
happens to be head of Core QA at Opera too, so we think he is pretty
qualified ;) ), but I will happily cross-post to this group about ideas
for more tests that involve Ajax stuff...

cheers

Chaals

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